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February 20, 2006

How to buy an apartment in Bangalore.

Filed under: Opinions — Manish Bansal @ 6:56 am

Even though this post is specific to Bangalore, the general principles should apply everywhere. I have not included everything related to buying an apartment here like location, security etc. Just those things which are not so obvious to new house-hunters.

Size: Do not buy a smaller unit thinking that you can always buy a bigger one later. Banish the thought forever. If you can’t afford a bigger house now, you won’t be able to do so after 5 years either. Property rates are doubling every two years whereas the salary is not. And once you get settled in a house, it is almost impossible to shift.
Looking ahead 10 years, you’d have kids who would need a room of their own. Your parents might come to stay with you. You might acquire a ton of household stuff which you’d have to put somewhere. So buy the biggest house you can afford. Look for one with atleast 3 bedrooms with a total area of about 2000 sqft. It might pinch a little now but will sure come in handy later.

Built-up area: The area of the apartment quoted by the builder is called super built-up area. This is the area for which you are paying the money. This super built-up area includes the area reserved for corridors, playgrounds, gardens and lift etc. The area in which you actually get to live in is called built-up area which is typically 80% of super built-up area. So if you are buying a 2000 sqft apartment, you get only 1600 sqft out of that. Some builders claim to give 85% but that is the limit.

Loan: This is the one thing that causes most anxiety to new homebuyers. There are many things to be taken care of while taking a loan.

  1. Pre-EMI: In a typical payment schedule, the bank releases a part of loan, say 10%, at each stage of construction. By the time you take possession, the bank would have paid the entire loan amount to the builder. If the construction takes 18 months, you have to pay the interest for 18 months on the money the bank has released. As and when the bank releases money, the amount on which you have to pay interest goes up. This interest amount is called Pre-EMI.
    The alternative to Pre-EMI is to ask the bank to release the full loan to the builder in the beginning itself. Then you can start paying full EMIs to the bank instead of paying Pre-EMIs. Even though paying full EMIs sounds bad when you can get away with paying much less Pre-EMIs, it is actually better and will save you as much as 5 lakhs!
    When you pay full money to the builder up-front, you get a discount of 4-5%. This works out to be 1.5-2 lakhs, depending upon the cost of the apartment.
    The Pre-EMIs that you pay do not count towards your loan. I.e. they do not bring your loan down. You are just paying a convenience fee to the bank. Most people go for this option ’cause they can’t pay full EMI and the rent at the same time.
  2. Interest rate: You can go for either fixed or floating rate of interest. Floating rates generally change every quarter but it is up to the bank. Fixed rates are of two types - fixed for a term and fixed for full tenure. The fixed term is typically 3 years after which there is a revision to the rate, depending on the market condition at that time. There are very few banks which offer fixed rate for full tenure. ICICI is one such bank. Some banks like Kotak offer loan with interest rate linked to the Fixed Deposit rate.
    You can change your loan from fixed to floating rate later and vice-versa but banks typically charge 0.5% of outstanding principle amount for this. There is one hidden cost though here. Your interest and principle components for EMI would be calculated again and you might end up paying more.
    As of Feb 2006, the floating rate is 7.75%, three year fixed is 8.25%, and fixed for full tenure is 8.75%.
  3. Pre-closure: Most loans last for about 6-7 years even though they were originally taken for 15-20 years. If you get some extra money and want to close off your loan, banks typically charge you 2% of the remaining loan amount. Some banks do not allow you to do this at all. In ICICI, you don’t have to pay any penalty for this if you leave 12 EMIs.
    Also check if you can pay more than your EMI once in a while. Banks typically allow you to make excess payments once in a quarter or once in 6 months.
  4. Insurance: Banks typically fund up to 85% of the apartment cost. Some banks fund up to 90% if you take loan insurance but 90% is the upper limit. The loan insurance premium is typically 8-10k per year. It covers things like disability, unemployment, death, or loss of property due to fire and theft etc. Unlike life insurance, you won’t get anything back at the end of coverage term. You might be better off taking simple life insurance if you are not concerned about job security etc.
  5. Tax exemption: You get tax benefits on pre-EMI and EMI only in the year in which you are taking possession. See more details here.
  6. Loan disbursement: All the builders have home loan tie-ups with various banks and they also have loan agents who deal with those particular banks. After your loan has been sanctioned, it takes a lot of co-ordination between the builder and the bank to disburse the money. All this becomes much easier if you take the loan through these builder appointed agents.

Cost: Like there is an ex-showroom price for cars, apartments have an ex-builder price (I just made up that term). A typical price of, say, 2000/- per sqft quoted by the builder does not include charges for Water supply, Electricity, Car parking, Service tax, VAT, Registration, and legal expenses etc. You won’t get any wardrobes or kitchen shelves either. Add 30% of the base cost for these things (total cost now = 2600/-). The builder should be able to tell you exactly how much would these things cost. Your loan eligibility is calculated on the sum total of all the above costs.

Premiums: Some builders, or rather all of them, ask for a premium for corner units or upper floors. In other cities, lower level floors cost more than the higher ones but in Bangalore it’s the other way around. This premium rate is typically 20/- to 50/- per sqft per floor. There is no problem in paying it except that it is not shown in any of the documents. Your house would still be registered at a rate of 2000/- only. See if your builder can waive it off or reduce it; most do.

Amenities: All the apartment complexes are advertised to have a club house, swimming pool, gym, garden, and playground etc. It would be a shame to call that pit a swimming pool but the point here is that you are made to pay for these things. If you are going to buy a house in one of these projects, there is nothing you can do to avoid paying for them. But what you can do is to buy a house in a much smaller apartment complex. These complexes typically have only 12-20 units and don’t have any of the above “luxuries”. You can see these kind of complexes everywhere in residential areas like Koramangala. The prices are about same as big complexes but then you get to live in the city and in a much better locality.

Salespeople: Do NOT trust the marketing executives who take you to the site and give you a tour. They would promise anything just to sell you the damn apartment. Always call up the customer care department and verify it with them. Better still, go to their office and have a look at the papers yourself.

When to buy: This one is simple. Buy it as soon as possible. Buy it now. Don’t worry about leaving Bangalore and going back to your hometown. you can always sell it later. And at a profit too. The best time to buy an apartment is during the pre-launch offer. These offers run for about 2 months and the rates are up to 200/- per sqft lower. As soon as the builder gets the plans approved from the govt authorities (and the project is officially launched), the rates shoot up (and keep on shooting up). The number of units on offer during pre-launch is very less though.
Another thing to note is that builders do not release (put up for sale) all the units once they launch the project. They keep some units for selling them later at a higher price.

Links:

  1. BDA Sites - A highly useful and relevant discussion group on MSN. Do not trust everything you read there though.
  2. Official website of BDA
  3. Official website of BMRDA

785 Comments »

  1. I definately agree that we should buy a house..a bigger one…rather than thinking that ‘we will buy a biffer one later” …that never happens. Thats exactly what I did. Thanks to all the various types of loans avaliable , property prizes are just going higher and higher by the day.

    Comment by Anamika — February 21, 2006 @ 6:55 am

  2. Good advice!! :)

    Comment by Amit — February 28, 2006 @ 8:58 am

  3. Good piece of advice. Very informative.

    Comment by Sundar — March 24, 2006 @ 2:07 pm

  4. Dear Sir,

    Actually i need a favour about VAT and Service Tax which is a burden for a customer
    I bought a flat at a total cost of 1228500 , I have paid pre EMI till now , I haven’t taken possesion since it si still in finishing stage, recently as u r aware about VAt & service tax where customer takes the burden,

    When I bought there was no VAt & service TAX in the month of April’2005

    Actually builder is showing wrong calculation ,

    First they should minus my Pre-EMI from the total cost then they should calculate on 70% of the flat as u know 30% should be deducted as a Land cost, so only construction cost ie 70% he as to calculate .

    I paid PRE EMI till now Rs 53,500/- till date ie as of May 18′2006 inspite of final disbursement from Housing finance.

    If u could help me out for this amount how much VAT should be put and How much the Service TAX , what is each % ie is it VAT 4 % and SErvice tax 10.25% or less than

    I need one more favour pls show step by step calculation

    I will be really thankful to u if u could solve this to me.

    Pls help me by showing step by step calculation.

    thanks regards
    ram

    Comment by ram — May 18, 2006 @ 11:33 am

  5. Hi Ram, The amount of VAT and service tax has nothing to do with how much Pre-EMI you have paid till date. It is purely on the basis of your sale deed. In your sale deed, the builder would have shown the breakup of land cost and construction cost. In fact, you would have signed two sale deeds, one for the land and one for the construction. So the VAT and service tax would be a % of that amount.
    Your Pre-EMI is just the interest that you pay to the bank. Your builder has got nothing to do with it.

    Comment by manishbansal — May 18, 2006 @ 12:37 pm

  6. Terrific insight !!! truly impressive…

    Anupam

    Comment by Anupam — May 22, 2006 @ 6:30 am

  7. Greetings,

    I couldn’t find this piece of information on the net.
    Here is my situation:
    I am planning to buy an apartment in the JP nagar area which is a pre-owned apartment(2.5yrs old) so that will make me the 3rd owner of the house.
    The owner of the house is quoting 35 lacs for the house which I find it as reasonably competetive. Now am assuming there will be some reg’ fee on top of the 35 figure. Now I am confused about a “VAT Fee” on top of the reg’ fee.
    So what is this “VAT” fee doing in second sales and how much is this going to cost me if at all.

    Regards,
    Anupam

    Comment by Anupam — May 22, 2006 @ 7:07 am

  8. Hi Anupam, Whenever you go for a plot/flat registration, you have to pay VAT and Service Tax in addition to the registration fee. This is as per govt rules and from what I know, it applies in case of pre-owned apartments also.
    The current rate of VAT and Service Tax combined is 12.5%. So if your apartment costs 35L, you’ll have to pay about 4.5L extra. I think Service Tax has gone up by about 2 points recently.

    Comment by manishbansal — May 22, 2006 @ 7:46 am

  9. All,
    I have taken a 3BHK of TSBA of 1850 Sq ft in Koramangala 3rd block. Now this was a huge investment for me, but keeping my mind long term goals and budgets, I went ahead to take this up in a good locality.

    Coming to the point of Loans which I do want to share as below:

    1) category-1 Banks - Mostly private banks- Loans with not many features, hidden costs in pre-closure, monthly-reducing balance, no flexible EMI options and regular interest rate fluctuations with no prior notice. Now this is not the banks you should mess with.
    2) category-2 Banks - Private & Public - Good features and Felixble options like pre-closure, flexible EMI, daily-reducing balance etc. but keep an eye on the hidden costs. A good option, but dont miss out approaching the category-3 banks.
    3) category-3 Banks - Public + few private - Transparent transactions, good features like pre-closure, flexible EMI, daily-reducing balance and something very unique like the Loan that acts as a OverDraft account which allows you to deposit surplus amounts to this loan account that reduces the Principle Outstanding thereby reducing the Interest paid on a long run. Now this account allows you to withdraw the surplus at a later stage in cases of emergency as well. Now I find this very useful as one can deposit any amount any times a year. For example, for a loan of 50 lacks, one would normally pay back to the bank an interest of 50 lacks over 20 years. By using this feature, a excess deposit of say 1 lack a year will reduce the interest paid to the bank to 25 lacks and time to 14 years.

    I would strongly recommend to go to the Category-3 banks - I went with SBI, which gave me a good home loan covering registration costs, cost for interiors, etc with Insurance covered.
    HSBC, SCB also has this feature called Home Saver, keep an eye on the hidden costs.

    good luck,
    sridhar

    Comment by Sridhar — June 6, 2006 @ 5:38 am

  10. Nice writeup Sridhar! It cannot be stressed enough how important it is to be able to make excess payments towards your loan. In fact, most of the loans get closed in just 5-6 years because of excess payments.
    How do we find out which category a bank belongs to?

    Comment by manishbansal — June 6, 2006 @ 6:50 am

  11. Asking the builder % VAT and Service TAX is like asking Barber if you need a hiarcut.
    Guys can some one formulate the exactly how VAT and service TAX has been calculated.?

    The formual i was give as
    C = Cost of the flat
    P = Parking
    A = Animites

    VAT = (C+P+A)*(0.7 * 12.5) = X

    Service TAX = ((C+P+A)+ X) *(0.33 *10.2) = X1

    X+ X1 is total tax

    is this correct?

    Comment by Pushkar — July 13, 2006 @ 8:53 am

  12. ONE MORE POINT TO NOTE WHILE BUYING APARTMENT:

    Make sure there is no deviation in the sanction plan as most of the developers have more than 100% deviation Clarify the same lawyers).
    It could be major problem in future as rules are getting strict(demolitions in kormanagla is an EX).

    DO NOT COMMIT UNTILL YOU VERIFY THEIR SANCTION PLAN.

    Comment by Mahantesh — July 13, 2006 @ 12:49 pm

  13. Hi,
    It was informative ..
    I have the following query..
    I am planning to buy a 20 year flat in Malleswaram, Bangalore…
    Is it worth investing in a 20 year old flat..
    generally what is the life span of a flat..

    -sreeni

    Comment by Sreeni — July 16, 2006 @ 10:13 am

  14. Hi Sreeni, I don’t think you should go for anything older than 10 years. You would end up spending more on the maintenance. E.g. - The water pipes would have rusted from inside, the structure (bricks, cement) etc becomes brittle, paint won’t hold on to the walls, seepage problems etc.
    But if the flat has been maintained well and the construction quality is good, then you can surely go for it.

    Comment by manishbansal — July 16, 2006 @ 12:53 pm

  15. Thanks manishbansal..

    -sreeni

    Comment by sreeni — July 23, 2006 @ 12:31 pm

  16. I am planning on investing on a flat on Sarjapura road - builder is asking 35,laks plus 3 for registration for a 3 bedroom. Does that sound reasonable?? Is the regn fee that high???

    Any input would be appreciated Thanks.
    Elmo

    Comment by ELMO — July 24, 2006 @ 11:57 am

  17. Hi Elmo, it doesn’t matter what the total cost of the flat is. What matters is what is the price per square foot. A typical price in bangalore nowadays is 2000/- per sqft. Add about 25% of that cost as registration fee, BWSSB, electricity etc and you’ll get your total cost.

    Comment by manishbansal — July 24, 2006 @ 1:05 pm

  18. This really looks like an article to promote real estate in BANGALORE.

    manishbansal, Do you work for any apartment builder?

    IV

    Comment by IV — July 24, 2006 @ 8:58 pm

  19. No Sir! I do not work for an apartment builder. I am just a software engineer who thought of sharing his experiences with others. BTW, what makes you think I am “promoting” real estate?

    Comment by manishbansal — July 25, 2006 @ 3:31 am

  20. excellent write up.
    covered all points.

    Comment by Jatin — July 25, 2006 @ 10:59 am

  21. Hi,

    The formual i was give as
    C = Cost of the flat
    P = Parking
    A = Animites

    VAT = (C+P+A)*(0.7 * 12.5) = X

    Service TAX = ((C+P+A)+ X) *(0.33 *10.2) = X1

    was just going thr the comments here and found this formula for Service tax and VAT.And to my surprise this is the same what my builder is asking me to pay.
    I dont c any comments reagrding the same.
    Can anyone brief me if this formula is correct or not?

    Comment by Manoj Nair — July 31, 2006 @ 8:19 am

  22. Excellent writeup !!! Cleared up lots of things in mind.

    Comment by Balaji — August 4, 2006 @ 6:55 pm

  23. Hi Manish,
    I have two questions.
    My question is why are people buying flats in such a rampant pace sonsidering the fact that flat values will depriciate?
    One more question is should I go for investing in a flat with a not so big builder or should I go with a very big builder paying some extra like 10 lakhs for the brand. Both these are just located in the outer ring road in marathahalli.

    Comment by Tapas — August 14, 2006 @ 8:42 am

  24. Hi,

    I booked a flat near Kanakpura road (Sobha builders) last year for about 1900/sq ft, as an investment. At that time, the area looked mostly undeveloped and hilly, but had a highway (BMIC, I think) coming up close to it.

    They have started building now and plan to complete by 2008. But with the increasing loan rates and slowing real estate scene, I am not sure anymore if it is a good idea to continue.

    Any opinions?

    Comment by Lakshmi — August 14, 2006 @ 10:50 am

  25. Hi Lakshmi,
    I am in the same situation as you are. Even though I did not buy the flat for investment, the increasing interest rates are making me rethink. So what I am planning to do is to wait till the construction is over and the flat is ready for registration. If the interest rates are still high and if I get a good price for my flat, I’d sell it. The idea is to sell the flat BEFORE you move in. It would be still be counted as new. More over, if you sell the flat before registration, the builder himself would find a buyer for you (he might charge approx 50/- per sqft as fee). So just keep paying (Pre) EMIs till that time and hope for the best.

    Comment by manishbansal — August 15, 2006 @ 11:06 am

  26. Hi Tapas,
    Big brand names do not necessarily mean higher resale value. What matters more is the location and the construction quality. So look at these two factors and then decide. As to why people are buying flats at such a high rate, you have to answer that one. After all, you yourself are buying one too.

    Comment by manishbansal — August 15, 2006 @ 11:09 am

  27. We are planning to buy an apt with almost 60% deviation from santioned plan. But all of this deviation is horizontal (NOT vertical). Is it a problem to have so much deviation in the long term. How does it impact the resale etc..

    Comment by Anonymous — August 23, 2006 @ 12:16 pm

  28. I am not sure about the resale value but a deviation from the sanctioned plan would give you a lot of trouble as it is. If your construction is not according to the sanctioned plan, it would be really difficult to get electricity and water connections. And with all those demolition drives and what not, it’s better to stay away from such things.

    Comment by manishbansal — August 23, 2006 @ 1:50 pm

  29. Excellent forum to comment and ask doubts. This is what I was looking for…

    Here is my doubt. Any sort of advice is really appritiated. I have brought an apartment on ORR and now its the time to register it. I have two options
    1) At market rate Rs.1000/sq.ft
    2) Actual rate Rs. 2000/ sq ft.

    It seems to avoid any future notices abt under valuation from carporation and paying penatiesm one should register it on actuals. So in that case if
    Basic cost of the flat + car park = X
    and Y are the other charges for water , electricity + VAT + service tax + aminities.
    Should registration be 8.4% of X or (X+Y) ? Please let me know as I am totally confused.

    thanks in advance.
    Sachin.

    Comment by Sachin — August 31, 2006 @ 8:57 am

  30. I am pasting somebody’s query on Registration and VAT calculation and corresponding answer, which can be helpful for some people:-

    Question : - I booked a flat in Bangalore for which the construction is going on and it will take another 4-5 months for the construction to get over. The calculation for registration goes like this:

    Registration filtered = (Total area of the flat in sq. ft. multiplied by Government guidance value + cost of car parking area) multiplied by 9.5.

    Service Tax = (Total square feet of the flat multiplied by market value of the flat + car parking area’s cost + amenities) multiplied by 4.04.

    VAT = (Total sq. ft. of the flat multiplied by market value of the flat + car parking area’s cost + amenities cost) + Service Tax multiplied by 4.

    The cost used for registration is the government guidance value in the particular location whereas the cost used for service tax and VAT is the actual market value of the flat per sq. ft i.e. the cost I am paying for each sq. ft.

    My question is

    1) If the guidance value is used for registration then is it not the same guidance value used for calculating service tax and VAT? When this is done, I would end up paying more money if the actual cost is based on the market value.

    2) I heard from a different builder that VAT for construction is 12.5 per cent on the 70 per cent of the construction cost (calculated based on guidance value) + car parking cost + amenities cost and the 10.5 per cent of it is the service tax. Why is there a difference in percentage and method of calculation between different builders?

    What is the actual procedure for these calculations?

    Answer:
    It is evident from your question that the total amount payable by you for the apartment includes the price payable for the undivided share of land pertaining to your apartment and the price payable for construction cost including car parking and amenities.

    We wish to state as follows:

    1. The guideline value used for registration of properties has no relevance for the calculation of VAT or service tax, as the charge of service tax or VAT is based on the amount charged by the builder for construction of the flat (excluding land cost).

    2. Under the VAT law, a dealer (builder) can opt for the composition scheme where the VAT rate is four per cent and in such a case the dealer is not allowed to collect any VAT separately from his customers. Alternatively, the dealer may opt for the regular VAT scheme where the VAT rate is 12.5 per cent of 70 per cent of the total construction cost (which works out to effectively 8.75 per cent of the total construction cost), which can be collected from you.

    3. Under the Service Tax law, the service provider (i.e. the builder in your case) has to charge 12.24 per cent of the construction cost of your apartment after reducing the cost of materials incurred for construction of your apartment, in case your builder proposes to avail the benefit for exemption on cost of materials under Notification No.12/2003-ST dated 20-06-2003.

    However, in case your builder is not able to identify and distinguish between the cost of material and cost of labour incurred on your apartment, then he can avail the exemption to the extent of 67 per cent of the total construction cost of your apartment and pay 12.24 per cent towards service tax on 33 per cent of the total construction cost of your apartment.

    This works out to 4.04 per cent of the total construction cost of your apartment, as per the Notification No. 18/2005 dated 07/06/2005.

    Comment by Amar — September 1, 2006 @ 6:56 am

  31. Thanks Amar! This is really useful information. VAT and service tax calculations are very confusing with different builders using different methods to calculate them. This write-up of yours will be of great help to many people.

    Comment by manishbansal — September 1, 2006 @ 7:07 am

  32. Hi,

    Whats Floor Space Index (FSI) in Bangalore. I ask this
    as I find most apartments in bangalore (even 30L ones)
    occupy whole land, there’s absolutely no space btween
    flats for air & sun light. Its fine for 30×40 2 storey
    building but not when you are building a 4 storey
    building. Staying on ground floor in such a building
    is like staying in a Cave.

    Dilip

    Comment by Dilip — September 5, 2006 @ 6:17 am

  33. For those who don’t know - FSI is the ratio of total floor area of a building to the total plot area. Also called Floor Area Ratio (FAR).

    Dilip,
    The FSI in Bangalore varies from 0.75 to 2.5, in a very weird way. It is lower in the center of the city and higher in the suburbs! This is totally contrary to the rest of the world. Eg. in New York, the FSI for city center is 15 while that for suburbs is 0.5, a ration of 30. Now you know why we have such massive jams on Hosur road.
    Your point about flats being close to each other applies for those buildings which fall within the city limits. There are plenty of them in Koramangala where I live.

    Comment by manishbansal — September 5, 2006 @ 7:02 am

  34. If you are worried about apartments being too close to each other in Bangalore, try to guess the FSI of these buildings.
    http://www.photomichaelwolf.com/hongkongarchitecture/

    Comment by manishbansal — September 5, 2006 @ 8:07 am

  35. Is it the best time to buy an appartment in kanakpura road near BMIC?
    Any suggestions as to which ones to look at?

    Comment by Monika — September 12, 2006 @ 7:33 am

  36. I do not know much about Kanakpura road to give you any specific advice. Just follow the general principles and take a decision.

    Comment by manishbansal — September 12, 2006 @ 8:25 am

  37. This was a good piece of advice that i have got. Can somebody here tell me, how does and how much do banks offer loans for varoius salary range people. And how to pay them back with tax saving.

    Comment by Shashiraja Shastry — September 15, 2006 @ 4:36 pm

  38. i have signed joint venture agreement with one of the plt owner of bapu sahapaliya, kalyannagar,banaswadi(lane opp to bhagini hotel, so within 1 year i will be completing construction of 3 floor apartment with one wing
    so my question to you is what rate i should keep in this area, if in this area builders like sai kingsdale and sethnagroup who are building big complexes have kept 2500 to 3000 sq.ft.and are provide amenities
    my plot area - 4000 sqft.(no amenities)
    pleez give genuine comment

    Comment by himesh — September 15, 2006 @ 4:54 pm

  39. Hi,
    I am planning to purchase a house at BSK 3rd stage. Can anybody answer my below questions?
    1. Is it neccessary to convert a land before purchasing?
    2. what is exactly means acuqiring of land by govt?

    Comment by Yogesh — September 19, 2006 @ 7:43 am

  40. Yogesh,
    You can’t generally buy a piece of (agricultural) land before conversion. The only situations in which you can buy it before conversion are:
    1. You already own agricultural land
    2. You intend to become a farmer, in which case you’d have to take special permission from the tehsildar and do a lot of paperwork.

    Suppose you buy a piece of agricultural land and you intend to build a house on it. Since govt gives lots of subsidies to farmers on land registration fee, stamp duty, VAT etc, you are not supposed to get all those benefits. DC conversion is the mechanism which ensures that the taxes and duties you pay to the govt are in line with the land utilization purpose (among other things like building by-laws etc).

    Comment by manishbansal — September 20, 2006 @ 9:58 am

  41. Excellant article! But I am confused still regarding VAT and registration cost.
    I bought a flat on hosur road for 40L. Construction is still going on and will be ready next year. Have to pay 5L for carparking,water and other amenities. It seems VAT+sales tax is another 5L so totals to 50L. What I was told is: registration is another 1.5L. So total cost of the flat is 51.5L. I went ahead and planned my finances accordingly for 51.5L. But now I am geting indication that registration is 12L and not 1.5L (and also based on above discussion) Is it true that total cost will be 62L instead of 51.5? (which I didnot plan for! I would not have bought it if that was true. Since originally started with 40L apt. and ending up with 60L apt.!) Why dont the builders give the complete flat amt when shopping! MAKES ME MAD!!!

    Comment by vinay — September 21, 2006 @ 4:18 pm

  42. I have received letter from my builder saying the regristration cost for apartment will be going up from 1st Nov onwards. Builder also staed that there may be a rise of 50 to 60% of the registration cost (if it is 1000Rs now, it will be 1500 or 1600Rs after 1st Nov).
    Can anybody tell me if this information it true?

    Comment by Juthika — September 22, 2006 @ 8:17 am

  43. My builder ‘Concorde group’ have said the same thing! that registration is going up 50-60%. They also said that if we register before nov 1 then we can save that amount. BTW whats the registration cost on 40L apt.? 1800 sqft?

    Thanks

    Comment by vinay — September 22, 2006 @ 1:50 pm

  44. Hi,
    I have booked a flat in bangalore one week back paying the builder 1lakh for which i got a reciept, and has applied for a loan from UTI Bank. After my loan got approved the bank executive called me asking for an agreement from the builder so the bank can release the amount according to the terms and conditions. The problem started here the builder got the approval only for 908 sqft as a built-up area according to the plan from the government. Now he has done some modifications in the plan so the size got increased from 908 sqft to 1033 sqft and he started demanding for the xtra money which will be a burden for me, I told him the same but he is not in a position to compromise saying that he will give me back what ever the amount paid by me. This happened not only to me he is doing this for my friend also. Can you pls help me in getting this problem solved.

    Comment by Krishna — September 26, 2006 @ 11:07 am

  45. Krishna, one of my friends was in a somewhat similar situation when his builder delayed the possession by two months. He approached consumuer court with his complaint and got 50K as compensation, next day. You can try this approach though I am not sure how much merit your case will have.

    Comment by manishbansal — September 26, 2006 @ 11:33 am

  46. Vinay,
    I have also booked my flat with Concorde, in Midway City. Is your flat also located in the same project? I had called them up after getting that mail and they said that the total hike would come out to be about 90K.

    Comment by manishbansal — September 26, 2006 @ 11:39 am

  47. No mine is located in Hoodi village near Brookefield which was uder village panchayat limits 2 weeks before and has been taken into the city limits recently i.e. some one week back.

    Comment by Krishna — September 26, 2006 @ 12:13 pm

  48. Hello manishbhansal,
    Great! we are going to be neighbours! I have booked in E Block (same midway city). unless you are doing only for investment.. got clarified that registration cost is currently around 1.3L but after nov 1, 50-70% more, like you mentioned. Are you going to register before nov. 1? to save that amount? I am confused whether “to register or not to register”.
    I was only worried that registration was in range of 10L. Their spreadsheet was misleading.

    Good article! Manish. It can serve has website forum for real estate questions in bangalore!

    Thanks

    Comment by Vinay — September 29, 2006 @ 3:04 pm

  49. Hi Vinay,
    I am not going to register now. I am planning to shift to Canada so I might sell it within 6 months or so. It’s much easier to sell if you don’t register because then the builder can sell it on your behalf as a new apartment(they take 50/- per sqft as commission). Also, the interest rate is a bit high for second-hand properties.
    Welcome to the neighbourhood!

    Comment by manishbansal — September 29, 2006 @ 3:45 pm

  50. I donot expect a right answer for this question. Is apartment buying a good idea as an investment? I was somehow cajoled into booking an apartment. Now i will be paying 10% interest on the 50L loan. does the apartment appreciate atleast 15-20% per year? Which means that apartment I bought which is 50L this yr should be 56L next yr and 63L 2 yrs later and maybe 1 crore after 6 years? Which means all 3 bdrm apartments near electronic city which have good amenities should be 1 crore! after 5-6 years? Open for opinions?
    Thanks

    Comment by vinay — October 4, 2006 @ 4:13 pm

  51. Mindboggling realestate/traffic jam scenario: People are buying sites and leaving it empty thinking it would appreciate. Sure it is appreciating (mine appreciated 4 times in just 5 yrs!) But the fact is nobody is actually building a house and living in it! making no use of the space. So, people who are working in these areas(say around electronic city for eg.) travel 1 hr from different parts of the city causing traffic jams. They cannot buy these artificially inflated pricy sites (not talking about IT people). They prefer to travel more than an hr. Also, transfer of site is costly due to high registration costs(so you tend to manipulate the actual price leading to black money).

    My solution: While registering sites, people need to build a minimum sqfeet house atleast upto the ceiling within 2 yrs of purchase. And keep registrtion fees low at 3% and instead collect more property tax. Next, donot allow more then 3 floors apartments within roughly say 0-3 km diameter, 6 floors within 3-6 km diameter, 10 floors within 6-10 km and so on from city center; Donot allow big malls/mulitplexes inclose proximity to each other. Same with high rise apartments. I guess the BDA/BMRDa officials need to be graduates in ‘city planning’ not just civil engineering.
    Opinions?

    Comment by Vinay — October 6, 2006 @ 7:20 pm

  52. Hi Manish,

    As far as my search on apartments, i have seen that most of the builders in Bangalore construct the apartment with deviation from the approved plan. But it depends on how much deviation (in %) it is. Some has a deviation of 20-30% and some others upto 80-100%.
    I wanted to know exactly what is the benchmark for the deviations?, OR how much deviation on the plan causes the problem in future.

    What my friends/colleages say is that 1) the total number of flats got approved as per plan should be same what the builder has built. i.e say builder has got approval for 2 flats in 3rd floor, but he has constructed 3 flats in 3rd floor. This will absolutely create problems. The count is got by total number of kitchens in the plan.
    2) He should not deviate more than 100%, i,e if the plan approval is for 1000 sq ft, the apartment SBA should not be more than 2000 sq ft.
    3) The possession certificate should clearly mention the total super built up area.

    regards,
    Prasad

    Comment by Prasad — October 7, 2006 @ 10:54 am

  53. Hi Prasad,
    Under building by-laws, the maximum amount of deviation allowed is 5%. This deviation latitude is more like a buffer; to be used only under special circumstances. See more here: http://www.hindu.com/2006/08/06/stories/2006080621990400.htm

    Comment by manishbansal — October 7, 2006 @ 1:30 pm

  54. Hi Manish,

    Interesting entry :).

    From your comment I see that you have booked a flat at Concorde Midway city. Can you please tell me more about the builder?. I am looking to book an apartment at Concorde Manhattan which is located at Electronic City. How are these builders?. Do they complete the buildings anyway near the time they say they would?. How are they ***after*** you book a flat?. What is the quality of their construction?. They claim that their project is BDA approved(have provided an approval number)…how do I verify this?

    Any ideas?

    Thanks in advance,
    Vineeth.

    Comment by Vineeth — October 10, 2006 @ 10:36 am

  55. Hi Vineeth,
    I have had very positive experiences with Concorde. From what I have seen at Midway City, the work is going on as per the schedule. The construction quality of the model flat was excellent. I hope the actual apartments would also be like that. As with all the builders, do NOT trust the sales people who take you to the site and give you a tour. They would promise anything to sell you the flat. Always call up the customer care and verify it with them.

    Specifically for Manhattan project, this project is going to be really HUGE. It would have approximately 1400 flats, if I remember correctly. It is supposed to be ready in 2 years which is asking a lot. Just plan accordingly. And if you do go to see the site, do give them my reference. They’ve been hounding me for months to give them some leads :-)

    As for the approval verification, you can go to the BMRDA site (www.bmrda.org) and look it up under ‘Approved Layouts’ list. The list is pretty long so you might have to google it up.

    Comment by manishbansal — October 10, 2006 @ 12:03 pm

  56. ok..Thanks for the advice…

    The project is for only 780 apmt even for that I am not sure 2 years is enough

    Comment by Vineeth — October 10, 2006 @ 6:38 pm

  57. I am purchasing an apartment and I got a very good insight about calculating VAT, Service Tax ,Registraion and Stamp Duty from this dicussion. Now I want to know that how Sales Tax will be calculated?
    My Breakup cost is:
    Land Value: 1249500
    Construction Value: 1632500
    Car Parking : 175000
    Other Charges(BWSSB, BESCOM, KHATA, Legal): 150000
    Total : 3207000

    Please do let me know by mail.

    Comment by Mukul — October 11, 2006 @ 12:46 pm

  58. Hi Manish,
    I am doing some research on old apartments in the city. How are they appreciating? Would like to speak to you in person as I am gathering information for an article for a newspaper. Would you mail me your phone number so I can call you. I am sure your inputs would add weight to my article.
    thanks

    Comment by Shilpa — October 13, 2006 @ 10:07 am

  59. Is apartment buying a good idea as an investment?

    Comment by Shalu — October 16, 2006 @ 4:52 am

  60. Hi Shalu,
    Generally no. But that depends on the timeframe you are looking at. Flats do appreciate in value but only up to a certain point. Say the original price is 2000/- per sqft at the time of booking. It might go to 2500/- by the time the construction is over and you register it (2 years). From that point on, the appreciation slows down a bit because it is now a second-hand flat. It might go to 3000/- (5-10 years) if the location is good but that’s generally the limit. After that the wear and tear on the flat bring the value down.
    You are better off with a piece of land if you want to invest in real-estate.

    Comment by manishbansal — October 16, 2006 @ 6:13 am

  61. hi, i am planning to buy a flat in bsk 3rd stg,
    in the carparking+g+3 floor, he do not have plan sanctioned for our apartment. but he has separate katha, electricity, water connection separatly for each flat, ECS builder is telling all documents is enough no need for plan sanctioned, moreover is telling there wont be any thret of demolition for residential properties, and there ois govt order allowing upto 50 % deviation

    please tell is it safe to buy this flat, what is risk i am taking in buying this flat

    Comment by kumar — October 17, 2006 @ 3:31 pm

  62. Hi kumar,

    Dont go for payment until he produces the approved plan for each floor. Deviation is secondary depending on whether it is vertical or horizontal deviation. If its vertical deviation, please dont take that risk. I think horizontal deviation of upto 50% or even more is OK unless your apartment is in totally residential area, away from main roads and green belt area. You can take risk.
    But without the sanctioned plan for each floor better not to go for it.
    regards,
    Prasad

    Comment by Prasad — October 18, 2006 @ 6:14 am

  63. As mentioned in the earlier comment, I bought this flat for 45L plus 5L for VAT/sales tax. Totally coming to 50L. Still construction going on and it will be ready in april of next year. If I want to sell it, Should the new buyer has to pay the VAT/Sales tax again? that is if I sell it for 50L, will the new buyer have to pay 50+5L=55L?

    Thanks

    Comment by vinay — October 20, 2006 @ 1:47 pm

  64. Hi - I am interested in buying apartments at Concourde Manhattan. Should I trust their prelaunch offer? Do you think the prices will go up on their launch date which is a week from now.

    Appreciate your thoughts. Thanks.

    Comment by Raj — October 21, 2006 @ 6:23 am

  65. Hi Raj,
    Yes. The prices will definitely go up by atleast 200/- per sqft after launch and will keep on going up. Pre-launch offers are the best deals you are ever going to get on a new apartment.

    Comment by manishbansal — October 21, 2006 @ 7:14 am

  66. Hi,

    I have booked the flat on sept 2005 in 2200000. I have given VAT as it was included in total cost.

    Now builder is asking to pay 100000 as service tax apart from pending amount.

    I just wanted to know, Is it true that Purchaser will pay the service tax or It’s builder’s responsibility to pay the tax? This huge amount was not discussed by builder when I booked the Flat..

    Please help.

    Thanks
    Asheesh

    Comment by Asheesh — October 30, 2006 @ 11:57 am

  67. Could you please tell me how is Anjanapura in next 2 -3 years, what is the best rate to buy a flat there.

    Looking forward for your reply.

    Regards,
    Vijay

    Comment by G Vijay Rangan — October 30, 2006 @ 3:30 pm

  68. Hi Asheesh,
    Builders never pay any of the services taxes or stamp duties or any other fee out of their own pocket. They always pass it on to the buyers. In case they do pay it with their own money, they’d find a way to extract it from you.

    Comment by manishbansal — October 30, 2006 @ 4:29 pm

  69. Hi Vijay,
    I do not have any knowledge about real-estate situation in Anjanapura. But looking at the market in general, it’s bound to appreciate.

    Comment by manishbansal — October 30, 2006 @ 4:30 pm

  70. Hi Asheesh,
    If the number of houses in your apartment complex is greater than 12, then you are entitled to pay a service tax of 4.03% over and above your total purchase cost including VAT (which is actually sales tax).

    regards,
    Prasad

    Comment by Prasad — November 3, 2006 @ 10:24 am

  71. Hi,
    I am Sreeni back with some other queries.
    Earlier I had good suggessions about buying an old flat. Thanks to all.

    This time I have the follow up query on this.
    Assume I find a better price and better locality flat (Malleswaram), but only a 20 year old one.

    Assume I buy it today, and assume the flats life is 50 years (Correct me if I am wrong).
    What are the costs incurred on me when the association decides to reconstruct the flats after demoliting these flats.

    Please explain me if any of you have encountered this kind of situation?

    -Sreeni

    Comment by Sreeni — November 3, 2006 @ 11:56 am

  72. Hello Manish,

    Do you know whether the new buyer have to pay VAT/sales tax? I bought this flat for 45L plus 5L for VAT/sales tax. Totally coming to 50L. Still construction going on and it will be ready in april of next year. If I want to sell it, Should the new buyer has to pay the VAT/Sales tax again? that is if I sell it for 50L, will the new buyer have to pay 50+5L (for sales/VAT tax)=55L?

    Thanks
    vinay

    Comment by vinay — November 3, 2006 @ 2:57 pm

  73. Good work and great effor…

    Comment by Raj — November 7, 2006 @ 3:28 pm

  74. Hi Vinay,

    I also have booked in concorde Midway.
    I want to know abt the VAT & Service Tax calculation.Concorde has included maintenance charge also in VAT & service tax calculation.
    Have they done the same with u also

    Sanjeev

    Comment by Sanjeev — November 12, 2006 @ 3:43 am

  75. Hello Sanjeev,
    You are going to be our neigbour! I am in E block. Manish (this site author) has also booked here.
    They have charged me around 4.5L for car parking + other charges(need to check my files whether it includes maintenance charge!),
    + 4.5L for VAT+sales tax. I guess we have to pay some monthly maintenance charge, I am not sure about that.
    So for a 40L Apt., 10L are other charges!

    vinay

    Comment by Vinay — November 14, 2006 @ 4:51 pm

  76. The builder has included two years maintenance charge in VAT calculation.I think it shall not be part of that.

    Comment by Sanjeev — November 15, 2006 @ 4:16 am

  77. I have bought a flat of Rs 25Lacs i.e 1300 sq ft @1700/sqft.
    I am currently in the process of registering the flat and received a draft copy of sale deed.
    The sale deed mentions the guideline value as 850/sqft. Hence the Stamp Duty charges and Registration is calculated on (11Lacs i.e 1300*850).

    Here are my question
    1)Why the guidance value is 850 when I have bought at 1700/sqft?
    2)Is it really required to pay bribe of approx 15000 to sub registrar. I have been asked for the same.

    3)Does registering the flat at lesser amount (i.e guidance value

    Comment by Vikas — November 15, 2006 @ 6:55 am

  78. Whatever you do, do not buy Puravankara flats.
    They will not pay you any penalty ( though commited) even after 9 months of delay. Their riviera project was to be over in March. They are completing the work only now and by the time the place is made decently livable it will be atleast 3 more months.

    If you still want to buy Puravankara for the trust you have in them, have a hard penalty clause without any ‘If and But’

    Comment by SRT — November 15, 2006 @ 10:52 am

  79. Hello Sanjeev and Manish,

    Can you guys share your email id. Mine is duay2@yahoo.com. We can form our own small concorde group customers and share our experiences. Are we going to have a tennis court? In the original map, they had it but it is not listed at the site.

    Thanks

    vinay

    Comment by vinay — November 16, 2006 @ 2:13 pm

  80. Hi Everyone,
    I am Priya. Me and my wouldbe have booked a flat in Concorde Manhattans project in Electronics City. However, I am having some clarifications regarding that.Is anyone there in this group who have also booked for the same project. If so, please let me know.

    Regards,
    Priya.

    Comment by zealmemory — November 17, 2006 @ 12:18 pm

  81. Hi Friends,

    I am contemplating booking an apartment at ETA Gardens . If there is anyone in this group who’s already done booking here,please do let me know your view/opinion about this project. Appreciate any feedback on the builder in general and the project in specific .

    Cheers

    Manu

    Comment by Manu Vinod — November 17, 2006 @ 5:47 pm

  82. Hi,
    Found this blog quite useful as lot of first hand info is provided here. Would like to clarify one thing: My builder is giving me a flat for 25 lacs at Bellandur,junction of SArjapur road and Outer Ring Road. This price includes everything except Registration. What are the registration charges in Bangalore…I think it is between 6-8%. After registration he says I”ve to pay nominal service and VAT..which will be calculated on the registration amount only. So if I pay a registration amount of 1.2 lacs say, then service and VAT will be calculated on that amount.
    From the info given here it seems that service and registration is a substantial cost…but I feel it should not be…any comments??

    Comment by gaurav — November 19, 2006 @ 5:12 am

  83. Hi Vinay,
    My email ID is bansal98@gmail.com.
    Will need to check up on that tennis court thing but I am not too much bothered about it. All I need is a party hall for occasional gatherings.

    Comment by manishbansal — November 20, 2006 @ 7:41 am

  84. Hi Gaurav,
    Your builder should be giving you the exact or the approximate figures for all the components. Do ask him for the detailed cost break-up. In fact, he should have given you this break-up at the beginning itself. Just clarify it with him.

    Comment by manishbansal — November 20, 2006 @ 7:44 am

  85. Hi Guys, We have a group for people who have booked in Concorde Midway City.
    The group is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/concorde_midwaycity/
    Please join the group.

    Comment by Debasis — November 22, 2006 @ 6:24 am

  86. hi

    this is a great information place…good to read.

    Does any one know what is the land guidance value for Prestige Shantiniketan in white field.

    Also there was a seperate tax planned as 1% cess which the karnataka govt wanted to use for the benifit of construction workers pension/social security…Any idea on this?

    Comment by Ramesh — November 27, 2006 @ 10:41 am

  87. hello everyone
    i am buying a flat in bsk 3rd stage,which will cost me around 41.5 lakhs(including amneties).Now can u please tell me what would be the registration cost+vat+servise tax for this flat. (ie the total amount i would be paying)

    Comment by kaushik — December 1, 2006 @ 3:54 pm

  88. also,say an apartment has got approval for 3 floors,but the builder builds 4 floors.Now say the authorities come to know about this and decide to demolish the 4th floor.Will it cause any damage(legally and physically) to the rest of the floors?(remember kormangala demolitions were on commercial property).and if there is an apartment violating the floor area ratio ,but the apartment is in a resedential area(which is quite common),will i have to worry about the apartment getting demolished??(’cuz i have heard demolitions rarely( happen in residential localities)

    Comment by kaushik — December 1, 2006 @ 6:37 pm

  89. Hi Kaushik,
    Before you grab the calculator and start punching numbers, ask your builder about these costs. He would give you the detailed break-up and the exact amount for each component.

    Comment by manishbansal — December 2, 2006 @ 3:35 am

  90. k…what about the answer to my second question?

    Comment by kaushik — December 6, 2006 @ 5:12 pm

  91. I am not sure about the damage to the lower floors if the upper floors are demolished. Regarding demolitions themselves, I don’t think there is any set rule about the buildings in the residential areas. In fact, one of the buildings that was demolished in Koramangala was a house (I used to live in a house opposite that one).
    Are you planning to buy any such apartment?

    Comment by manishbansal — December 7, 2006 @ 11:45 am

  92. hi,
    have been readign cpl queries on this site and thought id post my own. we are on the verge of finalising a second sale of an apt in rmv extn. blore. my query is that since our said apt wil be on the topmost floor does anybody have an idea as to what are teh building byelaws in case of a seepage from the terrace? are there any set rules for this??
    also any site /info we can refer fr property evalutaion - to ensure we are paying the right price fr the apt??
    i understand that vat is charged even fr a second sale.. however the seller is asking fr a lumpsum price inclusive of vat. is this ok - do we need to clarify with him as to additonal charges later??
    any inputs as to best banks fr housing loans- floating??nationalised or private??
    appreciate a prompt response
    rashmi

    Comment by rashmi — December 11, 2006 @ 12:18 pm

  93. Hi Manish,

    I booked a flat in purva venezia, yelanka. 3 Bed room flat only. Purva is Ok ?
    Would it be good in terms of investment ? What is your suggestion ?

    Am totally confused with banks and their offers. Am afraid of floating interest rates also. Could you guide me some good banks where I can go for floating or fixed ? Fixed of 11% is good option ? or 9% of floating rate good option ? and which banks are good ? Nationalized banks are asking like “salary should be credited into their bank or undertaking from my company” But My working company would not agree this. Private banks offering 9% floating but am not so comfortable.

    What could I do ?

    Waiting for your valuable suggestions.

    Thanks,
    Selva Mani.

    Comment by Selva Mani — January 5, 2007 @ 2:46 pm

  94. Hi,
    It was a nice article, I’m sure that he has analysed the market & suggested. It is valid point that better Buy any Project when It is in Pre-launch Stage (which means before the construction starts and not before Promoter buy the land), or atleast in one month from the date of launch to get good ROI. But it is always better to analyse the promoter before we buy.

    Comment by Niranjan R — January 6, 2007 @ 7:06 am

  95. Hi Selva Mani,
    I had taken home loan on a floating rate of interest as I could get a bigger loan this way. The fixed rate is not really fixed anyway. It is fixed only for 3 years and then it goes up (it could go down too but it never does). So my advice would be to go for a floating loan.
    Regarding Purva builders, they are ok. But you should keep in mind that flats are typically not a good place for pure investment. You should buy a plot for that. Buy a flat for the purpose of actually living there.

    Comment by Manish Bansal — January 7, 2007 @ 3:18 pm

  96. Hi Manish,

    Nice to see such an elaborate forum with all detailed comments pertaining to bangalore property market !!!!

    I too agree that buying a flat is for a living rather than investment on a lonhterm. I would like to get your opinion on the Ptoject ITTINA AVANI in koramanagala. What could be the approximate rate per SFT I can negotiate and agree upon?

    Your advise please.
    Regards
    Harish

    Comment by Harish — January 9, 2007 @ 8:29 am

  97. Hi Harish,
    Where exactly is Ittina Avani located in Koramangala? Looking at the rates of other properties in Koramangala, I won’t be surprised to see a quote of 3500/- per sqft.

    Comment by Manish Bansal — January 9, 2007 @ 8:53 am

  98. Hi Manish,

    Thanks for your response.
    It is in 3rd Block, Koramangala… and 200m from Wipro office on the 7th Main…

    Thanks and Regards
    Harish

    Comment by Harish — January 9, 2007 @ 8:57 am

  99. Hi Manish,
    To provide you with more information,
    total no. of flats is 10 and have gym, health club and jacuzzi on the top floor
    they r quoting 5k, but coming upto 4.4k.

    Is it worth going for?

    Rgds
    Harish

    Comment by Harish — January 9, 2007 @ 9:00 am

  100. It seems ok considering the current rates of properties in Koramangala. In fact, I live in 3rd block itself and the plot rates there are, like, 4000/- per sqft. So an apartment at 4.4k seems reasonable. It’s just the location.

    Comment by Manish Bansal — January 9, 2007 @ 9:20 am

  101. Hi Harish,

    And guys please be aware of ittina in genral.I had booked flat in 2004 june which was supposed to be handed to us on April 2005 has not been completed more than 70 percent.Also the ITTINA builder constructed 2 floors extra over the approved.BDA publised a public notice on them.Go to BDA site and read. I am in a big dilema if want to put my money with them.

    Please save youself from all the trouble i have gone through.

    Comment by Pushkar — January 12, 2007 @ 10:45 am

  102. Hi Manish,
    Reading all your comments i presume, Real estate(esp apartment info) interest you a lot. I guess you are not a prof Real estate guy.
    Manish i just wonder why are the apartment rates in CV Raman nagar and Kagdaspura so less compared to other areas. Frontline builders quote around 17 to 20 lakhs for flats. More info
    refer http://www.indiaconnect.com and http://www.bangaloreproperties.com. Please let me know is it good to own a flat at CV Ramannagar or Kagdaspura?

    Thanks
    Vijay

    Comment by Vijay — January 15, 2007 @ 5:38 am

  103. Hi Vijay,
    In real estate, the only thing that matters is the location. Sure, other things like construction quality, builder reputation etc matter too but location is the main factor that determines the price. Anyway, what is the price in terms of per sqft?

    Comment by Manish Bansal — January 16, 2007 @ 4:59 am

  104. Hi Manish,
    Thanks for your response. Usually 1550 to 1800
    per sqft is what they quote. In short 1000 sqft house would cost you 17 to 18 lakhs. this cost include all the charges. not sure if it includes registeration also.
    please visit these sites. they have lots of apartment ad from this area.
    http://www.indiaconnect.com and http://www.bangaloreproperties.com

    Thanks
    Vijay

    Comment by Vijay — January 16, 2007 @ 12:21 pm

  105. To Vijay:
    I can not say about the CV Raman nagar area but 1800/- per sqft is a very good price. So if YOU like the locality, go for it.

    Comment by Manish Bansal — January 18, 2007 @ 4:20 am

  106. Hi,
    In Btm AREAS they say one sq feet as 3250 and more than that.
    Is it worth getting a flat here..
    have found a flat for 1050 sq feet which is 35L
    The aprtment s good and i m worried about this huge investment..Is it really worth buying it.
    It is a brand new flat with 3 bed rooms..
    Please advice
    Thanks
    Senthil

    Comment by Senthil — January 19, 2007 @ 8:11 am

  107. To Senthil:
    At 3250/- per sqft, this seems too costly to me. You can get double the area for the same amount if you buy somewhere in the outskirts of Bangalore. I won’t buy it if I were you.

    Comment by Manish Bansal — January 19, 2007 @ 8:50 am

  108. Thanks for the information.
    Can u please tell me how much is the builders charging for prime area like BTM…that too near the 100 feet road..and around?
    Thanks in Advance
    Senthil

    Comment by Senthil — January 19, 2007 @ 11:31 am

  109. Hi Manish,

    I bought an apatment(under construction) worth about 32Lacs in Jan 2005. I have paid the complete amount to builder (through loan) in Jan 2005. Do I still have to pay VAT?
    Apartment would be ready for possesion in april may 2007. The sales person tells me I do not have to pay VAT, I cannot beleive him, tomorrow suddenly he might say I will have to pay. Please let me know if I have to pay VAT so that I can plan accordingly.

    Comment by pavan — January 19, 2007 @ 12:28 pm

  110. To Pavan:
    I too believe that you still have to pay VAT and service tax. I don’t think VAT has anything to do with whether you take the loan or not or how you pay it. You can confirm it with some other builder’s customer care just to be safe.

    Comment by Manish Bansal — January 19, 2007 @ 3:48 pm

  111. To Senthil:
    The asking rate around BTM or any other well developed area is above 3000/- per sqft only. The point is that you should not buy a flat at this rate, no matter where it is. Unless you are very particular about an area or the apartments are really of international standards, you should not be paying this high a price. It’s better to buy something around Sarjapur road or some other outlying area.

    Comment by Manish Bansal — January 19, 2007 @ 3:56 pm

  112. Manish,

    Thing is that I have paid the builder before VAT came into affect(before mar31 2005). Not Sure if that matters. Anyways I will be ready :-(. Thanks for the quick reply.

    Comment by pavan — January 20, 2007 @ 2:33 am

  113. Great article! What is the current going rate for concorde manhattan ? Just wanted your opions on how high do you think it will appreciate and how quickly?
    Is it a good idea to invest in electronic city?

    Thanks - any suggestions are welcome

    Comment by suhita — January 20, 2007 @ 3:10 pm

  114. To Suhita:
    From what I think, Concorde Manhattan will appreciate to at least 1.5 times its value within a year. Everything (especially the location) is good about Manhattan except its size. It’s going to have about 1400 apartments and will take about 2-3 years to complete. It’s good for investment. Just think twice before buying it for your own living because of the long construction schedule.

    Comment by Manish Bansal — January 20, 2007 @ 4:16 pm

  115. What do you people think about Like-Minded Farm House Project at bidadi started by team (refer groups.msn.com/bdasites general section). Is it workable? Any comments. Looks like too much of risk but rewards will be great later.

    Comment by GOPAL — January 21, 2007 @ 12:24 pm

  116. Hi,

    You mentioned ICICI having good ethics, in fact that is not true it is horrible bank. rest of your article is pretty good and useful. If possible please delete reference to ICICI as some one may go with ICICI and land into troubles.

    Comment by Syam — January 22, 2007 @ 9:25 am

  117. Dear Friends,
    Iam planning to purchase an appt on the ORR, the project name is NCC Maple Heights ( just launched) from Nagarjuna Construction Company. The price they quote is 2600 psft. Possession is in Oct 2008. The location is near KR puram. It would be great if you guys help me out with your ideas on the below points:
    1. Is NCC a reputed builder?
    2. How good is this location?
    3. Whether the price is too high or normal?
    4. Will there be a water problem? Though the builder says therewouldnt be any.
    5. Any idea on the Kaveri water pipeline?
    6. I personally think its connectivity(Road wise) is good.
    7. Iam thinking of buying an appt on 1st Floor (2BHK + Study Room ) 1458 Sqft.

    Please give me your suggestions.

    Regards,
    Ravi

    Comment by Ravi — January 22, 2007 @ 5:31 pm

  118. Hi,
    I see some ads of the builders saying they have tie up with UTI bank where in you don’t need to apy any Pre-EMI till the date of possetion, just pay 5% to the builder, Free Insurance and no pre closure penalty.

    How this is going to work out for UTI?

    Comment by Prasad — January 22, 2007 @ 6:02 pm

  119. To Syam:
    I think you have misunderstood my comments about ICICI. I was just talking about their loan offers. And it’s true that they have the most flexible loan policy (being the biggest player in this area). Their ethics are same as other banks though.

    Comment by Manish Bansal — January 22, 2007 @ 9:02 pm

  120. To Prasad:
    Remember that banks or the builders will never offer a plan where they have to bear a loss. In this case, 5% of the loan amount will be more or at least same as total Pre-EMI you would have paid. Actually, you shouldn’t be paying any Pre-EMI if you can afford to pay the full EMI now. See the loan section the article above.

    Comment by Manish Bansal — January 22, 2007 @ 9:05 pm

  121. Hi,

    I have 2 issues that I need advice on
    - I have purchased a flat a year back fro 16L, now the value is around 30L. What is the service tax/sales tax I will need to pay when I sell the flat
    - I took a loan from a bank at a “fixed interest rate for the tenure of the loan”. Part payment has been made at the interest rate agreed to. Now for the 3rd part payment to the builder the bank is revising the interest rate to a higher rate based on a “weighted average”. I feel like accusing the bank for fraud. Can I go to consumer court and newspapers for this ?

    Comment by Suraj — January 24, 2007 @ 8:27 am

  122. Hi Manish,

    I have bought a flat in JP Nagar 6th Phase in June 2005. I have a few questions in this regard, appreciate if you can shed your thoughts on the same.

    1. The flat is about to be finished now, and hence the registration cost the builder is quoting is as per the formula below:

    (1800* Super built up area + 35000)*0.1

    Where 35000 is the registration charges he is taking for the open car park. I have already paid 1 Lac for the open car park while booking the appartment. Can you tell me if this formula is correct ?

    2. I have paid the entire cost of the flat while booking (thru a loan) in June 2005. VAT was introduced & is applied from Oct 2005. Do I still have to pay the VAT on the total cost of the appartment even though my payment was made before October 2005 ?

    Thanks in Advance.

    Rgds,
    Naveen

    Comment by Naveen — January 26, 2007 @ 12:23 pm

  123. Hi Manish,
    Need your help here badly..we a group of some friends have booked flat at concorde manhattan. Now we have to sign the agreement and it seems there are lots of discrepencies/queries we need clarifications on.
    As you have also taken apartment with concorde group though in different project, will it possible for you to send me the soft copy of the agreements for our reference.
    Also it seems he has kept all the loopholes or clauses in his favour..what is ur opinion about this..
    Expecting cooperation..

    Thnks
    Jags

    Comment by Jags — January 30, 2007 @ 7:13 pm

  124. To Jags:
    I do not have the soft copy of the agreement with me now but the standard procedure is to take the agreement to a lawyer who specializes in property matters and get it clarified. They typically charge like 1000/- or so but it’s well worth it.
    What specific clause has he kept in his favour?

    Comment by Manish Bansal — January 31, 2007 @ 12:04 am

  125. Hi Manish,

    That was a really informative article. We’re on the lookout for a good apartment but not in a position to approach the top builders as they charge too high.
    So, any pointers as to how do we start or look for good builders? Where do we get the reliable information about such builders?
    Any pointers in this regard is really appreciated.

    Comment by Lakshmi — January 31, 2007 @ 1:24 pm

  126. can some one guide on how bwssb and kpct(keb) deposits are calculated for new apartment? are the builders allowed to charge exorbitanatly or is there a fixed rate ?

    Comment by arun — February 3, 2007 @ 2:47 pm

  127. hi ravi,
    further to point 117 even i plan to buy a flat in maple heights (i just finalised today ) similar 2 bed room study on the 1st flr . i have some queries other than those u have raised and wud luv to talk to u on this matter. kindly call me on 9845096587 at the earlist.
    preethu

    Comment by preethu — February 4, 2007 @ 5:57 pm

  128. Hi ,

    I am planning on buying a villa at sylvan view by Concorde.Any opinion on the builder,reliability, commitment and quality of service. I found that information was not consistent across the company , which leads to a lot of doubt about the builder. I live abroad hence would find it hard to keep tract of the actual events here. Is there any existing chat group for this particular project by the builder ?

    Comment by Tarushi — February 6, 2007 @ 3:35 pm

  129. Hi Manish,
    i have learnt a lot from all the discusions in your page. I have booked a flat at whitefield. The builder (a reputed one as far as i know) says that he has submitted his plans to the bda and is expecting approval. this he is saying for the past two months. How long does the bda approval process take for an gated township project of 500 homes?

    Secondly, can i get a detailed plan (showing lighting points, AC points, switch points) soon after the bda approval?

    thanks in advance.
    saravana

    Comment by saravana — February 7, 2007 @ 8:50 am

  130. To Tarushi:
    I think I have seen Sylvan View if I remember correctly. Frankly, I was not impressed by the model house. It looked very third-grade and cheap. You’d be better off buying just the plot.

    Comment by Manish Bansal — February 12, 2007 @ 2:06 am

  131. To Saravana:
    You can see the plan before the BDA approval itself. BDA approval is just a formality after which the builder can start selling the apartments. Before that, builders typically sell flats under pre-launch offer.

    Comment by Manish Bansal — February 12, 2007 @ 2:08 am

  132. Dear Manish,

    I am keen on buying an apartment at Raheja Residency at Koramangala. I need two information :
    a) Is this building notified by BDA (like others in Koramangala) for demolition ?
    b) As you may be aware, this is a 10 year old apartment. How much money i will be eligible to borrow ?

    KMPrabhu

    Comment by K M Prabhu — February 12, 2007 @ 11:37 am

  133. There was no model home with Sylvan view, they showed us only the completed
    Silicon Valley project. Is that the one you are talking about? Silicon Valley s right next to Wipro. Kindly revert.

    Comment by Tarushi — February 14, 2007 @ 1:31 am

  134. Hi Tarushi,
    I have seen both Silicon Valley and Sylvan View. I didn’t like the construction at Silicon Vally at all. There were cracks in the walls and the roofs were leaking and there was seepage all over. I don’t think Sylvan View would be any better in terms of construction quality. You’d be better off buying just a plot or a flat.

    Comment by Manish Bansal — February 14, 2007 @ 2:20 pm

  135. Hi Manish,
    I have booked a flat with Alpin builders (VIVA in whitefield). Any opinion on the builders reputation, quality etc., The project is expected to be completed by July 2008.

    Also, if anybody has booked in the same project, please contact me at jolivy@yahoo.com

    Comment by jolivy — February 15, 2007 @ 7:20 am

  136. Hi

    Can you please suggest me to calculate my VAT and Service tax as per today.
    I bought a flat in bangalore and the cost is below.

    3Bedroom -1455 sqfeet
    Total cost of flat is Rs. 28,82,625 (including car+KPTCL+BWSSB).

    Undivided Share Land cost mentioned by builder is 3 laks.

    Now, Could anyone please tell me my registration cost + vat+service tax or please let me know how can i calculate from the above figures.

    That will be helpful to me.

    Thanks
    Vara

    Comment by Vara — February 16, 2007 @ 6:36 am

  137. Hi Manish,
    This is truly an informative blog. I have recently bought a 3 BHK in Banashankari II stage behind Big Bazaar. I have registered the flat and have the sale deed. When and from where will I get the possession certificate and Khatha? And when should I start paying the property taxes for the same?
    Secondly I would like to know if there is a way to change your flat i.,e, I had earlier decided to go with a 3 BHK 1600 sqft appt. But now the 1700 sqft appt in the same complex is probably what I should have gone with. I heard from the builder that there are a couple of them still available Can I make this switch considering that I have already registered the 1600sqft appt?

    Thanks a lot in advance
    Kedar

    Comment by Kedar — February 16, 2007 @ 9:04 am

  138. Hi

    As i posted in 136. I would like to know one more thing that who will help me to calculate my exact registration amount either CA or lawyer?

    Thanks
    Vara

    Comment by Vara — February 16, 2007 @ 4:12 pm

  139. To Vara:
    Your builder is supposed to give you all these calculations. Even though the formulas remain the same, you need to know the exact cost breakup of your flat to calculate VAT and service tax. Like how much percentage is the material cost and how much is the construction cost etc. Do ask your builder for these details and the exact VAT and service tax.

    Comment by Manish Bansal — February 18, 2007 @ 3:09 am

  140. To Kedar:
    I don’t think you can switch after registering. As registration means that you have purchased the flat in your name. The only way to switch now would be to sell your current flat and buy the new one.

    Comment by Manish Bansal — February 18, 2007 @ 3:11 am

  141. Hi Manish,

    I am planning to buy an old apartment which was built 5 years ago. Building has 12 flats. Do I need to pay the VAT or any service tax for the same excluding registration charges?
    Please let me know.

    Thanks,
    Senthilkumaran

    Comment by Senthilkumaran — February 18, 2007 @ 9:06 am

  142. Thanks for the information Manish. So, builder has chances to cheat us.

    Comment by Vara — February 19, 2007 @ 3:45 am

  143. Hi Manish,

    In addition to my post 141, there was no builder involved in the transaction. And the seller (current flat owner) does not have any idea about the VAT. Flat was built in 2001 and the owner is quoting 35L lump sum amount.
    kindly let me know do I need to pay VAT and service tax, if so, what could be the amount.

    Thanks,
    Senthilkumaran B

    Comment by Senthilkumaran — February 19, 2007 @ 6:04 am

  144. Hi Manish,

    I did register a flat from a builder and it takes too much of a time to get it completed. What all things do we need to include in the sale deed. Suddenly my friend told me if you didnt metnion the completion date in the deed its a problem. They cab skip the work. Also what all amenities have to be mentioned in the deed. Since the registration is over I am a little concerned about it.
    It will be very nice if you let me know about your thoguhts.

    Thanks
    Rajesh

    Comment by Rajesh — February 20, 2007 @ 9:51 am

  145. Hi, I saw the model flat of Concorde Manhattan…liked it. How is it as an investment? Right now they have 3BHK fully furnished apts…does it make sense to invest in those?

    Comment by Asmita — February 21, 2007 @ 4:31 pm

  146. Hi,
    I am an NRI from Ireland. I am thinking of buying some property in bangalore as an investment. More of my thought is in return on investment basis. I heard investing on an apartment is not good than investing on an independant house. Apartments resale value is considerably less than a house. So i thought i would invest on an independant house. Do you guys have any suggestions in this regard and any recommendations to go through which builder and project. I greatly appreciate frank and prompt response.
    Thanks.

    Comment by Aish — February 22, 2007 @ 2:49 pm

  147. Hi,
    This is response to my friends, who wanted details point 117 and 127. Maple heights at ORR is a beautiful project. Even I have booked a flat there. The price for what you have got is a real steal, considering that the present value for which it is sold is Rs.3090/- per sq ft. I know NCC, they are committed builders, who have nearly 30years experience in the field of infrastructure development and property development. They are easily approacheable, and understand your personal problems. With best wishes to my would be neighbours. Vivek.

    Comment by vivek — February 24, 2007 @ 6:01 pm

  148. Dears Ravi and Preethu,

    For any other information what i may have, you may kindly contact me on 9448389190. Regards, Vivek. I have just given my comment above on Nagarjuna Construction Company`s maple heights. Good luck to you both… Regards, Vivek.

    Comment by vivek — February 24, 2007 @ 6:05 pm

  149. Hi Manish,

    This is very informative. Am planning to reloate to Blr and wld like to buy a flat where I can live somewhere North/West as I would be working in Yeshwantpur area.

    What are the good localaties there. I lean towards a new construction apt complex which will hv its iown club house/ pool etc.

    Pl suggest thanks.

    Comment by Nina — February 25, 2007 @ 5:50 am

  150. Hi

    I very much enjoyed reading all very informative comments.Im a foreigner looking into investing in new apartments in JP Nagar. Could I know if this area is well worth investing in, I mean is this a popular residential area? with higher income return? Thanks
    Romeeza
    email:rameezaa@hotmail.com

    Comment by Romeeza — February 26, 2007 @ 10:46 pm

  151. Hi,
    I am looking for an apartment in banaglore .But i got so confused where to take as every where the builders are saying high prices.Can you suggest me which areas are good to take an apartment for a better price. Heard that marathahalli,white field is good for investment or is it good to check out in banaglore-North side like hebbal.
    Please let me know.

    Comment by SAM — February 28, 2007 @ 12:18 pm

  152. To Rameezaa and Sam,
    My thinking is that apartments are not a good place to put your money in from an investment point of view. The situation was different a few years back but now everything is already so highly priced that the growth rate has slowed down.
    In terms of areas, I would suggest Bangalore North as most other places are more or less saturated.

    Comment by Manish Bansal — February 28, 2007 @ 2:50 pm

  153. Hi,

    I’m new to the real estate concepts. I learned a lot after going through your article. I’m also planning to purchase a house. As you have mentioned, that it is best to book a flat at the time of pre-launch.

    How will I come to know whether the builder has opened a pre-launch booking for his apartments? I have been going through many developers websites but I can’t find any pre-launch booking offers.

    Do you know if any good builders, if they are opening their projects for pre-launch booking?

    Your help will be appreciated.

    Thanks & Regards,
    Arun.

    Comment by Arun Kumar Saral — March 3, 2007 @ 4:58 am

  154. Hi,

    I have purchased a flat in ITPL, Whitefield, Bangalore.

    I am going for a registration around 10th Mar, 07. The builder is charging me as below
    Stamp duty 9%
    (super built up area* govt guidance on price)

    Regi fees 1%
    (super built up area* govt guidance on price)

    Legal fees 20000

    Can yu help me understand if these fees are reasonable ??
    And is the reg and stamp duty fees charged on the super built up or the undivided share of land area ??

    Comment by Pooja Shah — March 4, 2007 @ 8:00 am

  155. Is the registration amount (payed to sub-registrar) for a flat income-tax deductable ?

    Comment by Pavan — March 7, 2007 @ 9:23 am

  156. Hi…need inputs on the Freesia project of Oceanus dwellings on the ORR. Any thoughts/feed back will be of great help as Iam planning to pick up a property next week. Not sure about the builders and the project..as I have not heard about them. Just happened to see this place through a friend. Thanks in advance. Cheers Srini

    Comment by Srini — March 8, 2007 @ 7:11 am

  157. I am an NRI from Dubai and have been trying to invest in landed property outside Bangalore. But I am told that registration of land in Bangalore is completely stopped. Is it true? If it is true, when is it likely to resume ? What do you think about `whispering woods’ property of the Vakils in Hosur ? I would be most grateful for a frank feedback on these issues.

    Comment by B. Ravindar — March 8, 2007 @ 7:41 pm

  158. Hi

    Plan to a second sale apartment on sarjapur-ORR. The flat has complete woodwork and is already registered and Khata transfer has been done by the owner. Now the owner is selling it for arooud Rs 65 lacs (57 lacs for flat + 7 lacs for woodwork and 1 lac fo car park). What will be the registration + stamp duty + VAT + Service tax worksheet for such a deal. Is there anything else that also needs to be paid up. Can anybody help with it.

    Thanks

    Comment by Pankaj — March 12, 2007 @ 9:02 am

  159. This message is posted in multiple feed sites.

    This is to spread awareness on one of the several builders in Bangalore who promises a customer a lot when he has no buyers for his flats and does not deliver the flats in time after trapping the customer. M/s Salvia Developers Pvt ltd., whose project is located in AECS layout (Off Hosur Road, entry opp to Dr Agarwal Hospital, after the begur signal) who is taken the customers for a ride since 2005. This builder named Somasekhar is from Andhra Pradesh, Ananthapur who came to bangalore around 3 yrs ago and started as a builder. He started the project before 2.5 years and agreement was made with several customers to handover the flats after 10 months from the date of agreement. The apartment has 42-45 flats. The construction is still not complete. Out of 42-45 flats, after getting frustrated from the builder, 3 families have moved in to their incomplete flats. There is not even a single customer happy with this builder. The customers are so much frustrated. When the flat owners go to speak to him, he tries to deal with each customer separately. He deals with them unproffessionally. His carrying out the project is also unproffessional. To few of the customers who cannot dare to go to Court/consumer court after paying hefty money for their dream flat, the builder of Salvia Developer has threatened saying ‘get lost, I am not giving the flat, go and do whatever you can do’. Most of the customers are still paying the emi since 2 years..for their incomplete flat..

    Comment by Joshi S Sharma — March 14, 2007 @ 11:07 am

  160. Taking the liberty of answering few points as there is no response from Manish Bhai,,,guess he is travelling.
    This has reference to the posting in 156 other and 157.oceanus is a decent builder, you may like to have a look at their other ventures in the vicinity of freesia..ebony and the old venture in the next road. Freesia has a spearing road coming from north west (not a very good sign)and the shape of the property is in a odd dimension. ( (if one is vaasthu conscious)other than that the property is a decent one. You may like to check with the builders about the water facility as that area has water problem.
    No. 157; Registrations are happening in certain areas, however depends on the area which one would like to buy Regards Vasu

    Comment by vasu — March 18, 2007 @ 11:15 am

  161. Hi,

    I have identified a Flat near Vignanagar. My flat owner informs that Registration cost % might increase shortly soon in Bangalore & request for early registration. Is any aware of this news? Please comment.

    Comment by Ram — March 18, 2007 @ 2:27 pm

  162. Hi ,

    Does the below article from Times of India about “Guideline value price rise 100-400%” , is applicable for Flat’s Registration also. OR is it restricted only to Lands Registration.

    Please comment.

    Article:
    ——-
    Land becomes dear
    Govt Revises Guidance Value, 100-400% Rise In Upmarket Areas
    The TImes of India

    Bangalore: Here is a shocker for those who are dreaming of buying a site or constructing a house in Bangalore. The government has revised the guidance value of prime areas in Bangalore by one to four times.
    The notification was issued on February 28 and March 14 is the last date for filing objections. The objections can be filed before secretary, central guidelines committee, BWSSB, Cauvery Bhavan, through post or handed over personally.
    With the guidance value having gone up, Bangaloreans will have to pay higher registration fee while buying land and buildings. Land prices already being sky-high, the decision is bound to pinch the middle class further.
    The guidance values of land that come under the 12 registrar offices in Bangalore have been revised. The new values will be applicable in Basavanagudi, Ga